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Really like this piece. My reading of your conclusion implies that to document *is* "to remember" and that by not documenting you must endure the inevitability of forgetting. But you might find this interesting:

About 2400 years ago, Plato wrote "Phaedrus" and included quite a similar argument against the same sort of micro nostalgia you're talking about, and really writing things down in general, but his argument is almost the opposite of yours haha. Here's an excerpt:

[Phaedrus, to Socrates, on the discovery of writing]: "Here, O king, is a branch of learning that will make the people of Egypt wiser and improve their memories. My discovery provides a recipe for memory and wisdom. But the king answered and said ‘O man full of arts, the god-man Toth, to one it is given to create the things of art, and to another to judge what measure of harm and of profit they have for those that shall employ them."

[Socrates, to Phaedrus]: "And so it is that you by reason of your tender regard for the writing that is your offspring have declared the very opposite of its true effect. If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.

What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only the semblance of wisdom, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much while for the most part they know nothing. And as men filled not with wisdom but with the conceit of wisdom they will be a burden to their fellows."

This passage is often used as an example of the common argument that new technologies always have push back (i.e. movies are bad for society -> TV is bad for society -> social media is bad for society) because it seems so obvious to everyone now that he was wrong and short sighted, and that *of course* writing is amazing. It seems Sarah Mansugo, and really all of modern society, aligns more with Phaedrus' perspective, that writing/documentation is the cure for unreliable memory. But perhaps Socrates had a point, and instead of sacrificing our memories we'll have to rediscover them instead. I think the answer is somewhere in the gray area, like it is with most things.

Source for quote: https://fs.blog/an-old-argument-against-writing/

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Lydia, hi! may i say i am so tickled to have discovered your writing here, in this iteration, on substack. you have long been a favorite internet person of mine, and the other day i described you to someone as “that runner influencer. fruit gang. she’s a writer” — they knew you from fruit gang, but i know you for your poignant cultural takes. for your literary humor. for your short stories i read on your website many moons ago and your general good vibes. anyway! i am commenting to say i’m glad i now have you on this platform, too, and that your words and your thoughts often mean a lot to me. giddy to be waving on substack!!!! 👋🏻💕 please keep it coming

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